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Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, Dr. Anthony Fauci explained on Tuesday his lack of strong conviction on either side of the issue of whether or not President Joe Biden should temporarily waive patent protection on the COVID-19 vaccines, and was met with resistance.

Speaking on the Mehdi Hasan Show Tuesday, Fauci told MSNBC host Mehdi Hasan that he is “really quite agnostic” on whether or not the president should ignore the pressure from big pharma and release currently patented information on how to produce the vaccines—an act that Hasan notes would “help developing countries in particular.”

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